Aikido with Target Focus Training:Martial Artists Argue

There was an interesting forum thread I came across, concerning Target Focus Training and Aikido. Check it out, since it’s an interesting comparison between those that have attended TFT seminar live training and those that haven’t, but are practicing martial arts.

If you know me, then you will know that I just had to write a response. Even though the thread was written a full year ago.

One’s techniques MIGHT not work. If you are not used to that and do not practice this way… then well… your training situation is too different from what might actually happen.

TFT is able to train people in a short time because they don’t use your limitations. They handle the fact that your techniques might not work by… not focusing on techniques. What might happen is as numerous as the stars in the sky. What will happen when you are attacking and injuring an enemy is much more limited.

Techniques are learned through practice, and competition sport techniques are learned through practicing competition style tournaments and fights. Since TFT is only designed to injure and kill criminals, there is no way to “practice” unless it is cooperative practice. And since they are not teaching techniques, they do not need sparring as much as competitive sports do.

Different priorities results in different products.

TFT is designed for students and clients with zero experience in violence and martial arts. Thus, it has to be more than just something for people with belts in martial arts. Because their system is the way it is, the way they treat successive strikes is also very different from what competitive sports produce.

The theory of chain comboing attacks remains a theory until it is applied. It is just that the applications differ depending upon who you are asking. A lot of things may be obvious to people in the abstract, but it is the application and the details that separates the crowd out.

If a person with zero training sees this TFT website, takes some seminars/videos/trains for couple of months and this builds up confidence. That confidence could vey well get HIM killed.

It could, which might be why the US Special Forces and SEALs used the exact same training principles, and even instructor, as TFT uses. They needed to be sure that, confident or not, in armor or not, tired or not, with ammo or not, that the first time they use it is the first time that it works.

That’s a crime. And that’s lying to people.-J

Of what use are hypotheticals and wild guesses to the subject of life and death? It’s a crime just because you visualized a mental scenario and assume that it is what is going on? Is such a thing the key to victory, do you think?

I mean to me that’s yucky and I wouldn’t want to bite anyone in the world of today nor I would not want to practice it but they have their thing down!-J

Unless you can bite through a person’s carotid and jugular, what is the point? It’s much easier to just claw out the eyes. Then you’re certain you’ve injured the enemy, whereas with a bite, you might have to rely on taste and other subjective senses to determine what you got.

I would love to spar your wife and her friends (LOL) with let’s say… groin protection and goggles and boxing gloves.

Do you really believe you can “train” for a life and death situation by fighting a guy with groin protectors, goggles, and boxing gloves?

Anyway I can not see why not implement resistance training.-J

Because that kind of training is “play”. It might give someone confidence that they can hit and perhaps push back an assailant, but in reality, when they don’t get the reaction that they saw in practice for real life, they will hesitate and die.

soft spots and yes that might shy away an unconfident rapist but that’s not the point is it?-J

Indeed, since the point is getting an injury, not playing around with people armored up.

As I’ve learned from a reliable source: Superior speed, will power and technical knowledge is all taken away by a thumb driven through the eyeball, and I mean right through to the back of the eye socket. YUK!-Original Post Author

Even an Abrams tank can get taken down if you shoot at its weakest point. If simple small arms fire can’t get through, then it is time to put out the heavy firepower. The nuclear package even.

How do YOU know? How do YOU know it works for YOU?-j

Because as someone with high endorphine and adrenaline aids for pain and injury, I still need time to “psyche up” and I don’t have that time if someone puts his elbow and 150 pounds of force into my throat. What applies to me also applies to any other human being. Being dead is the only objective criteria in determining who has won, in war or in duels or in free for alls. If you are dead, you are definitely the loser. And it doesn’t really matter who disputes that.

Can you still fight with a crushed throat? Maybe. Can you still fight with a ruptured testicle? Perhaps for some. Can you still fight with a broken neck? Some guy with a gun in hand can still fire it even with a broken neck, I can certainly admit that.

None of that matters. If you still have the capacity to launch attacks and injure the other guy, go and do it. And just the same, I will damage my enemy to the point where I Am Confident that he won’t be getting up, no matter how fanatical or pumped up with endorphines/drugs he is. Confidence? I am confident that so long as I am alive and conscious, I can kill and destroy my enemies. Victory is never guaranteed, that is why we still have wars.

Of course people have also taken accidental shots to the groin and were unable to continue the fight BUT people have also been able to continue right away (the referee was at the blind angle) recover and reverse the fight.-J

Are you under the delusion that TFT says “hit these 5 critical targets, and you win”?

In that situation, in my opinion, no one is going to land EVERY strike exactly where they want it. If you are well trained in TFT then yes, you have a good chance of landing a shot to a critical zone and ending the conflict. But like everything else, don’t preach that when I’m attacked it’s going to be this “1 strike bad guy fall down hype” either.
-Michael O’Brien

Tim Larkin specifically has already said that they teach you to select targets and then go to the next ones, because targeting is not 100% absolute guaranteed.

Violence doesn’t use strength or speed as a means of domination? I would venture to say that a violent act is MUCH MORE easily thwarted if it wasn’t fueled by strength, speed, aggressiveness, and killer instinct.

Guy who planted the IED that killed Majors in the US Army just did it cause he needed to feed his family. Strength? IED Guy is malnutrioned. Speed? Can’t be too fast planting explosives or too slow. Aggressiveness? Sneak attacks are sneak attacks because someone learned that violence didn’t need “aggressiveness”. Killer instinct? IED guy doesn’t have a specific American he wants to see dead.

So which person does the United States have more trouble killing, the guy with “killer instinct” meaning Al Qaeda, or the average Iraqi that just wants a living wage?

1. How do you train shoving a finger up to 2nd knuckle in someones eyesocket?

They use a trick off of the OODA cycle used for military live fire training.

1. Look at the target. Touch the target. Transfer load (Your body weight will be sufficient).-OP author

Observe, orientate, decide, and act. Find the eye socket, orientate to your hands or other weapon attachments, decide which finger to use, and then use that finger to scoop the eye out.

This is replicated in a non-damaging practice through having the Finger, whichever that might be, touching and then applying force to an opponent’s eyebrows or cheek or other spot near the eyes. The cooperative partner then moves his head, as you slowly apply force. Or he moves his head without any pressure on your part. Regardless of the details, you get the benefit of seeing the reaction you would get in real life, getting the feeling in your fingers that you would get in real situations, approximately, and doing exactly the same thing you would do if you wanted to scoop out the other guy’s eyes. Except in practice, you don’t injure the other guy. In real life, you just position your finger over his eye, push it in, and when your finger is all in the way in, the force of your blow causes his head to turn away.

By training your body to respond correctly to the correct stimuli, you bypass the OODA problems that would crop up in “tap out situations”. Situations where you do something different than what you practiced for, and suddenly your brain initiates an OODA loop. Like this. Observe that something wrong has occured, orientate to what is going on, decide on how to correct it, and then act. Just before “Act”, you have lost the initiative and are now being the one injured, like the martial artist that accepted a tap out, due to his OODA loop initiating without his knowledge, and got stabbed.

What this does is that even if your attempt to attack is foiled, due to whatever, your OODA loop is still shorter than the other guy’s. Thus this acts as a force multiplier in violent situations, giving you an edge. Why is your OODA loops shorter and fewer than the other guy’s? Because the other guy has at least two OODA loops after your failed attack on his eyes. He has observed that your attack failed, he has orientated to the situation that he still has both his eyes, he has decided that he no longer needs to continue defending his eyes, and then he decides to look at you and decide on how to attack. Then another loop starts, which is he observes you, orientates to your body, decides to attack you with fists, then acts.

But, remember that while he has to worry about adequately defending himself and also worry about attacking you somewhere, the only thing you are thinking of is finding a new target. This is why attackers have the initiative, until their fuel runs out of their tanks that is. By the time you get tired or your fuel runs out, the fight should be over.
Jorgen Matsi is of course, J. Much of what he says is reflected in TFT, but because Jorgen has a different set of philosophical beliefs, contrary to TFT *like cooperative practice being null in MA meaning that it is null and void in TFT too*, thus making him opposed to TFT. If only because of ignorance. Seeing is believing, so if you wish, you can watch this free fight video clip TFT put up.
On another note, Grim Beorn has two killer articles about human nature here. Go read, now.

The Smell of Death

Contrary Clown

Grim is great with titles. Remember one of his pieces at Blackfive “On the Virtues of Killing Children”? Won’t find that title duplicated on Google by another author!

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4 Comments on “Aikido with Target Focus Training:Martial Artists Argue”

  1. Synova Says:

    The training situation that matters most is the mental one. What should be in your head in a “situation” isn’t technique at all, or even application. What should be in your head is something like, “DIE!!!!” Certainly nothing more higher-function than that. No OODA.

    And sure, your technique might not *work*, in that your attacker may not die, but probably will work in that you hit your attacker hard enough to set your attacker down long enough, that you can remove yourself from the situation.

    But one thing is certain… if it’s survival and you don’t think “DIE!!!” then whatever you do won’t work because you will be holding back.

    Maybe some big guy can get in a recreational fight, and in that case it would be bad to accept and demand death, but lets be honest that it was a recreational fight… one where you stand there and trade blows to see who’s the baddest dude.

    Different animal than a survival situation or self-defense, different mental requirements.

  2. ymarsakar Says:

    The OODA cycle is how the human brain always functions when exposed to new stimuli. That’s independent from a “spinal reflex” of course. I don’t think there’s a way to completely get rid of it. Although there are methods to reduce the number or make your decisions and actions faster.

    Experience allows the Observe-Orientate part to go faster. Confidence, knowledge, and physical training provides a boost to the Decide-Act part.

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