Muv Luv Alternative Review

In reply to this post.

Alternative is really a test of how much your heart can withstand. Visual novels often seek to put you in the protagonist’s shoes and this one certainly does a great job of it given the amount of time they had to “educate” you, the reader.

Of course the ending is sad. But it’s also a testament to not giving into despair. I’ve already integrated most of the lessons Alternative had, but until you really accept in your heart what the various characters are saying, your emotions will not be moderated or balanced out.

For example, one of the most effective ways to fight despair at the loss of a loved one is to overcome it with positive emotions and memories. Pride in what they had achieved. The happy memories you shared with them. Such will provide the will to live on.

That’s the whole point of why fighter pilots and small unit infantry tell jokes when faced with death. Many people assume that they don’t take it seriously because they don’t care, but the opposite is true.

Leaders must radiate supreme confidence and optimism, regardless of what they believe or feel inside. That is part of the duty and responsibility of being given authority, for authority has its perks because it has its costs as well. Human emotion is infectious. If you start feeling sad, soon enough everyone around you will as well. And when it comes to fighting in battles and wars, that kind of thing will kill people. When they lack the will to live, when they stop caring, they will also stop caring about the mission. They won’t pay enough attention in combat to survive. They will get themselves killed. That’s why leaders project an optimistic and positive aura. To defeat despair before one can defeat the enemy.

To a commenter there: Check all torrent tracker sites as well as hongfire forums which posts torrents, file server links, and various other download sources.

Continuing on more issues with MLA.

As previously mentioned, I finished reading ML Extra/Unlimited and Ml Alternative. It’s a combination of many different things such as a thriller, science fiction, military war drama, romantic love triangles, and so on. When I say war drama I also mean a life and death drama: one that focuses on the meaning of life and death. A military war drama can be about the military or the war, but it doesn’t necessarily touch upon the concepts behind the meaning of living.

One of the things I’ve heard mentioned a lot is the dramatic dichotomy between chick flicks and movies suited more towards a male demographic. Unmarried single women under 30 in a career. Married women with a family. Teenagers and those in college. Demographics can tell much about a group trend, hence the whole importance placed on age and demographics in marketing. Insurance companies also charge teenagers (15 year olds) much greater premium rates. Regardless of the individual variance in your demographic, the demographic itself is a very accurate portrayal of what the group is trending towards. Thus chick flicks have lately become specialized only for certain demographic groups of women, to the point where it turns off any other demographic. This is, in fact, an indication of plagiarism, un-originality, and a degradation in artistic talent. True artistic talent allows dramatic moments to touch any human, regardless of barriers. That is true artistic skill. There can be no art without a human utilizing artistic skill. When I see movies that have skewed positive reactions amongst a certain demographic, yet the format and themes are so derivative and unbalanced, this is a sign that they are specializing not because they are good at making movies that appeal to women but because they need that kind of specialization to cover up their own incompetence.

That being said, ML Alternative is such a hybrid of so many different other things, which is in fact usual not unusual for the Japanese, that it becomes a stark contrast. In chick flicks, the focus is mostly on relationship issues and on guys apologizing. There’s no war to portray manly virtues or courage. There’s no external enemy or even competent rival. When the Japanese does love triangles, they make it as complex as humanly possible. Such things as two best friends falling in love with their childhood friend, while the childhood friend loves both girls, makes for interesting drama. There is more emotional bonds connecting all 3 together, so the pain or the joy becomes higher in nature. On the other hand, Hollywood does love triangles in a superficial sort of fashion. Either it’s a competition between boys and immature males or it’s a case of Pearl Harbor. There’s rivalry between friends, but they stop being friends for some reason when they compete against each other. There’s no such thing as a friendly competition or the old line “may the best man win”. Meaning much of Hollywood’s love triangles are backstabbing, deception orientated. Such negative emotions tend to affect everyone in a love triangle. It’s not as simple as conservatives prefer positive and happy relationships and LibProgs prefer backstabbing deceptions, but that’s how it tends to turn out given what I have read in America. I do not claim Japan is conservative by the measures Americans can judge, but the culture has several points of compatibility with American conservative culture.

To get back to the main point, Alternative has many things women and men would find captivating. Relationship difficulties are present. Victory and defeat in war are also present. I’ve watched the last Pearl Harbor movie out of Hollywood. Could have been worse. Doesn’t compare to Alternative. If Alternative is the sun, Pearl Harbor is a beach. Both are hot and shiny. What makes Alternative extremely appealing to many demographics is simply the skill with which it has produced the hybrid intermingling of different characters, themes, concepts, and events. Instead of feeling like a jumbled up puzzle, it is a very clear and comprehensive picture. Almost a visual illusion.

One core example I can give is this. Hollywood treats death as either a convenient plot point or as a convenient way to support the main characters. They do not and cannot do what Serenity or the Japanese do, which is bitter-sweet moments. Sanctifying the importance of life, yet serene in the acceptance of dying for something of great importance. That’s because those who value their lives the highest, have a hard time understanding why anyone else would risk theirs for abstract ideals. Patriotism, love of country, is taught as being a bad thing that leads to wars. Such is true especially in Germany and Japan. The Japanese love of tradition and family values has allowed them to retain much of their history in societal sub groups. Their history is replete with warfare and tragedies, thus they can draw much from it even though they lack modern day experience. Our Civil War happened only recently in the eyes of world history, and we aren’t even over it. Japan’s last great civil war happened in 1600 at the battle of Sekigahara. Americans have not had enough time to see things as they really were. And for wars fought in other countries, that is even harder to comprehend for the ordinary citizens of America. It is hard enough to attempt to understand your mortal enemy that speaks another language, but if they are all fighting thousands of miles away from your peaceful life, how much understanding can you really obtain given the normal disinterest civilians have in such affairs?

In an interesting state of affairs, the Japanese have better literature on the topic of war sacrifices and patriotism even though the US has a much higher institutional knowledge in patriotic parts of America and in the US military. Such is life, an infinite amount of contradictions.

Some here may have read David Weber and may recall me mentioning him. Weber does war drama quite well and goes to great lengths to attempt to portray human factions honestly and as they truly are. Instead of the cookie cutter, absolute black and white, portrayal of reality by Leftist ideologues.

This is why I laugh whenever Leftists say that we are parochial and mired in tradition and old ways. The Left is so bigoted, arrogant, and intolerant of other beliefs, so reactive, and so regressive that they don’t even have the right to call anyone else “traditional” to begin with. They have no such right. They have no power to generate such a right. They have nothing to deserve power or rights. All they can do is to beg other people to sacrifice for them. They don’t work. They don’t contribute to the community. They suck off of other people’s wealth. They damage the common good for selfish greed and arrogance. And yet they believe they should have rights?

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15 Comments on “Muv Luv Alternative Review”

  1. herrpa urrp Says:

    wtf ow is this review so amazing

  2. lalala Says:

    wtf indeed. i think i got off on this.

  3. ymarsakar Says:

    Thanks children, I’ll be sure to take note of the positive reviews for later. Don’t know how it happened, but it seems several people found this post of mine through referrals. Oh well. The joys of the internet.

    [If people understand what I did, congratulations]

  4. lalala is sorry to the owner of this blog Says:

    Now now, don’t be hasty.

    The reason I posted something as random as “wtf indeed” was mainly because of the last paragraphs – which is very probably due to my own sleepiness when reading your review(and thus got irritated more than usual when your profound political and philosophical messages failed to get through me due to me expecting an “easy” review about the eroge).

    However, this is a personal blog so it seems the fault lies with me for not realizing the author can spew whatever they want(lecturing the ignorant masses).

    I sincerely apologize(and thank you) for making you go through the trouble of editing the posts of mine and the gentleman above me(due to the absolute crudeness of our posts).

    That said, I hope that this (long and amusing)apology is enough to satisfy your standards and thus save you the trouble of editing it(please do it, if it doesn’t and to any other comments so that your blog will always be devoid of any malicious comments).

  5. ymarsakar Says:

    I obey an honor code on the internet .Those that behave with honor, get treated the same. Those that behave like terrorists or wannabe Chicago thugs, I’ll deal with as they deserve.

    Unlike many others on the internet, belief in freedom of expression, has many different ways of being expressed and it’s not quite the same as the norm. My way is, perhaps unique and rare. The internet, of course, disallows many of my favored methods, so I must resort to available options.

    If people want to say stuff on the net and the blog, I’ll do my best to make sure they spell out their honest opinions. If they aren’t going to do it themselves, I’ll help them along. But since you wanted to make a point and now made it, I don’t have to do anything. I don’t have to agree with anyone. I don’t have to obey anyone. I don’t have to listen to anyone’s criticisms about my writing. What’s true about you and your immunity on the internet, is also true of me. That’s what is convenient about it. Of course, if people think they can walk into my place and do as they wish, they may be proven wrong later. Everything will be quite transparent, though.

    I like transparency and honesty. That’s part of why I write about Muv Luv.

    For some reason, in the past, people liked to converse with me because they found me a convenient target for their narcissism, megalomania, and personality neuroses. After I moved here and adopted my new methods, they chose not to comment later on. For some reason. I didn’t block them or ban them. I haven’t blocked or banned anyone on the internet blogs and forums, as far as I can remember, which is pretty far. As I said, I’m a big believer in the truth and honesty. In terms of crudeness, you two rate a 2 on a scale from 1-10. I’ve seen worse, that’s why I disagree;it wasn’t that crude: it was just not very clear. I use a nuke on low tier threats because I don’t want to bother with escalation. I’ll just go straight to the end from the start. More convenient.

    P.S. Wiki is now blacked out for 24 hours. People can keep ignoring these things if they wish, but it’s soon going to start hurting them. Even if they do live as homeless bridge trolls on the internet. Just saying.

  6. lalala Says:

    I appreciate your clarification. Your intention and standing is conveyed to me, clear and dignified. Thank you, unlike my previous reply, I no longer hold a grudge.

    With that said, I actually enjoyed reading your personal review on MLA. I agree with everything that you have said regarding the visual novel, minus the bits and pieces about United States, since I’m not familiar with your country and my view will undoubtedly involve stereotypes.

    Despite the universal acclaim that I have heard about this game, I never really got around to it. The one review that actually prompted me to download 3 games, a horrifying 6.54GB(there’s no super fast internet connection in my area, you know) and crawled through the dreadful Extra(it was probably not so bad – I was very impatient for Alternative), Unlimited to finally Alternative was actually Moogy’s review(http://tsukuru.info/b/?p=696), which touched upon the underlying themes of the novel which you also did.

    I haven’t got around to re-reading it because as you said, “until you really accept in your heart what the various characters are saying, your emotions will not be moderated or balanced out.”(I noticed that you’re already reading it for the third time, damn you!)

    By the way, I bookmarked your blog because it seemed to contain lots of topics I’m interested in. I’ll drop in to read them when I’m free.


  7. Stumbled upon this and great review! Well…until the closing paragraphs. Then it devolved into an American bi-partisan debate. Which leaves me baffled when the subject matter is a Japanese, mecha, porn game. I’m having a hard time drawing a parallel from one another. Unless your getting flamed by the mostly extinct Japanese Workers Party for your conservative values. One word of advice, don’t worry about the labels the media gives ideas. Conservative and liberal are stupid words full of calculated hate; driving our nation apart when it needs unity.
    -Peace (Wo)Man,

  8. ymarsakar Says:

    Making connections between different topics is the goal or perhaps byproduct of achieving wisdom in life. I didn’t write this with the objective in mind to make people who don’t want to or cannot understand, understand. You aren’t going to get an emotion simply by reading it. You either feel it or you don’t. You either feel giri, or you don’t. This is a very Japanese concept. But I live by mostly American values, which value frankness and bluntness in all honesty, not ambiguity or the Japanese idea of “some things people are better off not knowing”.

    If people don’t like the last part, don’t understand it, or don’t agree with it, go right ahead. It doesn’t change me: everyone has their own preferences and views, hopefully they’re not slaves to somebody else’s will at least. People might find this uncomfortable because they get a subject change from something they like, to something they dislike, politics. Well, congratulations, you’ve now experienced a mood swing that various dramas do to the audience to get them uneasy, before the plot change. Those that cannot control their own emotions and moderate their own reactions and behavior, are not going to be the captains of their ship and voyage. But to explain in non-rhetoric form, this post is simply what I first claimed it was: a reply to some other person’s Muv Luv review. The last paragraphs were my own personal views, which I may not have posted as a comment elsewhere, but here I did write them down. I’m also partial to throwing people curve balls, just to see how they react to them.

    Which goes back to the issue LA raised about Muv Luv’s emotional impact and perhaps surprising or unsatisfying ending. Those that have trouble controlling their own emotions, aren’t going to be able to get anything done in the end. The Western world may be naive and soft on them, and give them welfare checks and let them get through their day jobs day in and year out, but it’s not the best people can achieve. It’s certainly not the ideal of beauty or harmony humans aspire to.

    I am continued to be surprised that people don’t often talk about the things they like, but find time to criticize or complain about the things they dislike. This devolves into a debate about stuff neither party wants or wishes, because both dislike the issue in question. It’s far better, in my view, to seek common cause, underlying truth as a foundation, and agreement than disagreement.

    In that vein, I’ll go back to the subject i like to talk about. Extra was simply a common romantic comedy. I took it as it is, no more and no less. I wasn’t too impatient either, since many novels and series take time to develop the plot and characters. So long as I trusted that the payout at the end was worth it, I would not regret the time I spent seeing things setup. While I know that many people indulge in eroge for the ero component, I’m one of the newer market segments of the Western world that are fine with all ages versions, such as Clannad. Ero is for a particular Japanese segment of the population, frustrated young males, who form a particular demographic and fan group (emphasis on fanatic). This is a little bit different for American audiences now that anime is more popular, but visual novels are like anime back in the 80s.

    Currently, I have reread MLAlternative 3-4 times now, in full. I skipped a few boring parts like lectures I already knew about, but often times during the VN, I just listened to the voices and tried to see things from a different perspective. I gained a lot of new things from it because of this method. It’s like someone reading Romeo and Juliet in sixth grade, never having fought with their parents, been disowned, had a lover’s spat, or even been in love. Then 10 years later, they with some experience in love, now re reads Romeo and Juliet a second time and see many things they never understood. That is true of MLA. People who are in too much hurry to their chosen destination, often will miss out on the fun and importance of the journey itself. Journey before destination. Life before death. Everyone ends the same, irregardless of who amongst us thinks they are immortal or omnipotent. I see this a lot in people who are “over hyped” on something they think is the “payout” and they just rush all the way through “boring material”, get to the ending, and get BLOWN UP by how disappointing it was. Perhaps it was disappointing precisely because they blew through the most important parts: the beginning. Someone rushing to the end of MLAlternative will not have the fun, joy, and calm that Extra and Unlimited provided. Thus their brains will not be engaged nor will they have moral support, and when their emotions are pulled one way, they have little reason or ability to resist. As mentioned by other reviewers, a lot of things in MLA were designed to get Takeru, also you the reader, to understand and form a foundation of strength to be able to take loss or high drama without going into a huge emotional wreck…. like has happened to others. If you just skip through them like you skipped through Extra and Unlimited, it’s like someone freshly graduated out of West Point thinking they can take command of a regiment or battalion. That officer, no matter how brilliant or smart, will just burn out and perhaps get blown up and get his men blown up too, because he lacks one critical component that cannot be rushed: experience. Wisdom.

    MLA mentioned that when you can look back on your mistakes and laugh at them, you have grown. Until you can reread MLA and accept the good with the bad, and laugh at the good and bad, you haven’t grown from the person who still couldn’t handle it before. Part of MLA’s dramatic output is precisely because it so strongly puts the reader into Takeru’s shoes, and makes the reader feel the way Takeru feels. The fact that a “game” can be considered to be a life lesson on wisdom, is probably outrageous, and chou rare. But that’s what makes life interesting.

    LA: You’re free to come by and drop in at any time. As before, people can disagree all they wish with me. Doesn’t change my beliefs at all. People tell me they are annoyed and afraid of missionaries on their doorstep. I invite them in at the table for a fun chat. What am I suppose to be afraid of, words? Other people’s convictions? Human beings need to stop living in their den of fear and get out more, if you ask me.

    Those that bring a weapon, hate, aggression, or enmity to me, those are a different matter. Those I enjoy crushing and fighting.

    If people liked anything I wrote, I’m glad for you. But if people want help with some problems in their internet life, sorry I can’t help you with that.


  9. [...] The other things in the review were mostly positive and I either agree or at least do not disagree. My original review and comments on this game can be found here [...]

  10. ymarsakar Says:

    Btw, I don’t edit people’s comments to remove what they write. You can look through the comment catalog on the right if you don’t believe me.

    If they refuse to say what they really want to say, I get the tendency to do it for them.

    This mostly applies to short comments like insults, meaningless crazy behavior from an asylum, and things like that. I don’t spend time being somebody else’s editor. That’s not my hobby.

    I don’t remove malicious comments. In fact, the more malicious it is towards me, the more I will make it malicious, simply because that’s what they really meant. So I’m going to help them along there to say and write what they Really Meant.

  11. lalala Says:

    Like I said, I was pretty upset at that time by your editing and that reply was meant to be sarcastic. I don’t randomly troll people on the internet. That “wtf” wasn’t meant to insult anyone but I know some people have bad experiences with a-holes or just set the bar high by nature, so I understand. However immature I may be(cracking jokes at the most inopportune times), I do know where lines must be drawn.

  12. ymarsakar Says:

    It wouldn’t be worth doing if it didn’t make random strangers on the internet have such reactions.

    If you’re still bothered by it, I’ll put in something else after my edit to differentiate them, in case future passer bys don’t read the entire comment thread here.

    All anyone has to do is ask, but that is so very difficult for people who pass on by throwing eggs on random people’s houses. That’s why they don’t do it.

    I’ve known people who deleted long comments because they said “I just felt it stepped over the line”. Then you ask them to quote what it was about the comment that they disliked and they said “it’s deleted now, so I can’t recall”.

    They can’t recall, you see, what they disliked so much they deleted the comment, and told everyone in the comment section they deleted this guy’s comment because it was offensive or over the line. The evidence is disappeared! Just like certain New Orleans police departments and Chicago vice squads.

    I don’t operate by such sentiments, however.

  13. lalala Says:

    Huh? I said no longer bothered by it, and I meant it. I’m afraid we’re not on the same page.

  14. ymarsakar Says:

    I believe you. I was just mentioning it as an option, for whom it may concern.

  15. Somerandomguy Says:

    Seems like the remnants of a shitstorm.
    TL:DR


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