Talking with Anti-Iraq People July 21, 2008
Posted by ymarsakar in War.trackback
It’s an interesting audio and written interview. It’s by CJ.
For the first audio clip, when she said that thing about face to face communication being the solution. Well, that’s what the US military is dong in Iraq. Face to face, door to door, tribe to tribe, communication. You certainly can’t do that sitting in DC sipping Star Bucks, now can you.
And CJ should have asked her “why do you think oil prices are going up when the Oil Corporations are supposed to have stolen so much oil from Iraq”.
I think I can guess the answer, but still.
CJ’s remark about Japan having some natural resources we could exploit or steal was priceless. The only natural resource Japan has that we should exploit is Japanese anime, calligraphy, and martial arts.
I agree that the people doing drive by idiotic comments should shut it. This woman sounds anxious as it is. Jeez, I don’t get that anxious even when doing public speaking. Depends on the crowd, I suppose.
The person CJ is interviewing, the one that sounds nervous, isn’t actually a Leftist, by my classification. She doesn’t accuse you of doing things solely to defend her own positions or whatever. A potential classical liberal that just never made the full transformation in time?
Hey, I got an idea, why don’t we invade Canada? They speak the same language as us, mostly, and they are so much nearer to us, so the cost of stealing their oil should not by anywhere the same as invading Iraq.
Basic physics say that objects in motion tend to want to stay in motion. This can be applied to violence or what people call the cycle of violence, violence begetting violence. It also means that violence can be stopped by an equal and opposite force, which is our violence. Physics has many wise things to say about our world if only we just open our minds to it.
As you’ll find out, I kind of found it odd that Jennifer actually said this lady, Reese, knew more than she did about the topic.
What that actually means to me is that Reese has more explanations and justifications for her self-delusion. Jennifer had to think long and hard about certain things and it was obvious she was making an honest attempt at something she had never experienced before.
Reese, I presume, will have ready made answers to the common challenges available. It is what propaganda arms usually do. Come up with rote answers that are valued, not for their logic, but because these are the answers everybody says. Everybody they know, at least.
Let’s see how my views play out after listening to the audio.
Well, one thing she started off with was by fishing in CJ”s waters for advance knowledge of his current tactical position so that she could assault it. That’s what I thought at least, when she asked “why do you think we went to Iraq for” after CJ had asked her a similar quesiton.
One thing concerning her concern for civilian casualties is how she never speaks about how the people CJ was fighting and killing in Fallujah were the ones torturing and executing families, simply cause I guess it was a way to pass the time. TO say that it is now the US military in the wrong for killing those murderers, is to simply allow the unjust to go free simply because you don’t feel a particularly potent need to ensure that the sons and daughters, of a family you will never know, continues to live.
Reese’s comment about how you don’t solve assailants going into people’s homes to torture and kill by indiscriminately dropping bombs on the entire neighborhood. That’s a classic Leftist defense technique, where they defend their beliefs by making you look bad. It is not ever really about how there’s no way to actually defend yourself against violence without violence, so they prefer to talk about your “indiscriminate” use of violence. They don’t have any solutions to violence so… might as well make your lives miserable in the process.
Reese’s comment about how you don’t solve assailants going into people’s homes to torture and kill by indiscriminately dropping bombs on the entire neighborhood.
Worked for FDR, though, didn’t it?
You could gently explain to the lady that indiscriminate violence is what we’re fighting against, not how we’re fighting, and she not only wouldn’t grasp the concept, she’d fall right back on nattering about our indiscriminate bombing.
I spent a couple of hours a while ago proving to a Lefty troll that the pictures of dead kids he was using as examples of “our own troops” killing kids were photos of Kurdish victims of Saddam’s chemical attacks on Halabja and, after he was boxed into a corner, he reverted right back to “our own troops killed these kids”…
Okay — how’d I wind up with a doily as a gravatar?
Jennifer starting shaking almost violently as the questioning intensified. As her arguments were shot down one by one with logic and first hand experience and knowledge, the shaking increased and she became visibly nervous. I tried relaxing her by taking an extra step away and speaking in calm, even tones. The third lady there was obviously just a friend and probably there for the first time. She had no comments and seemed to be confused by my presence and the conversation.
Thanks for linking. I plan to talk to these people once a month as I understand that they normally have a few extra people. They recently changed their protest times to confuse the counter-protesters that always show up across the street (generally in larger numbers). I guess they confused even their own.
And I have a green doily. At least it’s a little more tactical that BillT’s doily. ;o)
She had no comments and seemed to be confused by my presence and the conversation.
It did seem apparent to me that Reese was the leader of this little get together. In any human group with more than two members, there’s usually an alpha male leader or in this case, a grand dame.
The Army and Marines and SF solves the problem of having so many alpha males through the chain of command. Otherwise, who’d know who’d be in charge.
The whole Peacecorps with a “punch” thing is what the military has made into a reality, where all the diplomats, Leftists, and pacifists were talking and dreaming while people suffered and died.
Which obviously means that the military is not helping people. Because if they are… it kind of violates the thesis, don’t you think. These things are self-contained, often wise.
Leftists, and pacifists were talking and dreaming while people suffered and died.
Yes, but their lofty dreams ennoble them, who are so unlike those of us whose vulgar, base actions actually result in something beneficial.
Makes me want to grovel and beg their forgiveness for co-opting the future…
What *is* it with that electric blue doily? Is Carrie your web designer or something?
Makes me want to grovel and beg their forgiveness for co-opting the future…
You have demonstrated that their god is false, Bill. For that sacrilege and heresy, you shall die 10,000 deaths!!
The wordpress gurus decided that commenters would have their self-esteem hurt if only wordpress account gurus could comment and get their own very character iconic portraits, Bill. So they wanted you, the anonymous and unclea I mean unregistered masses to have your own very own, iconic icon!! Ain’t they great?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25182021@N05/2694003581
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33345813@N00/2691652187
The Elite have their own special iconographs, Bill, that distinguish them from the unanointed. Obama’s seal, for example.
When Utopia is finally accomplished, begging and groveling before your betters will be the norm!