Sake White

To Neo, and to Grey at the end. Others also.

Instead of a white-hooded, hatred-spouting firebrand, they found—much to their surprise—a reasonable and reasoning man who was not bigoted at all. Prager writes:-Neo

This is why propaganda must have some bearing on reality and also why useful idiots were originally slated for termination afterwards by the Soviet Union.

Once a person becomes convinced that he has been told the truth about something and then realizes that he was lied to and manipulated, then that person could go off on you in one of several ways. The Soviet Union used to employ these useful and rather naive recruits by telling them that their way is the right way. Once the Soviet Union and Marxism comes into power, some of those recruits might begin having second thoughts. That is very dangerous, Neo.

Good propaganda tries to avoid situations in which you have to manipulate people into unknowingly betraying their natural beliefs. If at all possible, you need people that truly believe in the cause, but actually know what the cause is in addition to doing what it takes. True believers in essence, rather than say… expendable and ignorant tools.

Leftism, because it is primarily a parasitic method of survival rather than a cooperative model, can’t tell the truth. Is a parasite going to tell the host that the host will suffer and get nothing in return by hosting the parasite? No. That is not part of the survival method of parasitism. Lies, manipulation, and betrayal are thus inevitable byproducts of Leftist operations.

Such things are not optimal, however. The truth is better in propaganda since it is far easier to maintain operations tempo through the truth than through lies. If you lie, then extra energy must be used to sustain that lie, and eventually it will slip out one way or another. For one thing, it is far easier to tell the truth about a person being dead than to lie and then have to worry about the live person showing up. Propaganda has severe limits concerning how it can shape reality. Enough propaganda at the right time can shape reality, as with Cronkite, Vietnam, and WMDs, but it does not replace reality in the long term. Dead is still dead and life is still full of hope.

“mean-spirited, war-loving, greedy, bigoted, racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, homophobic, sexist, intolerant and oblivious to human suffering.”-Neo

It is a simple explanation in truth. If they were wrong about the Other being such, then that must mean that they are the mean spirited ones. Thus the human mind tries to preserve its self-identity matrix through denial and blocking off painful memories. Natural survival methods adapted to parasitism. Essentially the parasite excretes enzymes that deaden the pain of the host, since why bother the host with knowledge of things it can’t change? In order to remove the parasite from the host, the host must face self-destruction or much pain. Survival says “not worth it”. Yet human beings have free will, we are not controlled entirely by hard coded genetics and survival reflexes. Those that are, have lost most of their humanity already.

In the above analogy, the host is analogous to a believer whle the parasite is the system of socialism and other kinds of thought control. There is also the system of parasitism as a survival strategy which the entire group of Leftists engage in, such as taxation, feeding off of the wealth and health of others, etc. The Islamic Jihad does a similar thing with Western weapons and techn.

My kids have gone from playing Pokemon outside, to ‘Pokemon of Cataan’ inside, to their new craze of Naruto (young ninja learning jitsu techniques, essentially magic)-Tom Grey - Liberty Dad Says:

If they are watching the English version, I would strongly recommend you get them the Japanese audio subtitled in (Eng) versions. Much better audio wise, for Naruto.

Sometimes this is b/c the left and right use different (opposite?) sources of information, and thus do not agree upon a fact set to form a foundation for a conversation.-gcotharn Says:

Or you could even get the same facts but different interpretations. The Left thinks of global warming as bad, yet with the same set of facts you could easily make a case that global warming is good. A person could look at war and see the same thing and think all war is bad and futile. Another person would see the same thing and say that well fought wars lead to better situations. At the core though, it is not so much a factual disagreement as it is a philosophical disagreement. If you are a nihilist, then does it truly matter what people are fighting about in a war if you believe that nothing is ever worth fighting or dying for?

Of course we have to realize that many Leftists are in self-denial and thus cannot really discuss their philosophy or how they really see things. They argue as if your beliefs are their beliefs, just like a politician. Their often used tu quoque attacks are based upon a guilt fixation which tries to use your morality to undermine your own arguments. If you believe X is bad and therefore the Left will say you do X too, which is an argument based off of your philosophy, not theirs. They don’t want to discuss what they believe, which is that “X” doesn’t really matter. Genocide, WMDs, etc do not matter at all to the Left. What matters to the Left is survival, and in this sense wealth and power stolen from others provides a higher survival chance to the parasite. Logical, no? Our method of survival, or even of ethics, is much difference.

Now I have to think of them as being really, really, actually, stupid.-Richard Aubrey Says:

In any useful idiot subversion operation, you are going to have a pyramidal hierarchy where at the top are the spiritual leaders that know what is up while at the bottom are the cannon fodder. Same for the Islamic Jihad. I mean seriously, why else could you get people to blow themselves up so that you could benefit personally?

then at some point they’ll reveal some completely frickin’ insane belief which is totally contrary to fact and impervious to disproof.

That is called a philosophical difference, Trime. It can only be discussed, or argued, effectively via a philosophical framework. Which sort of means that both parties must engage in philosophy debate, which is not common knowledge to most. This is even harder since most Leftists do not know what their philosophy actually is. It does not pay to have the tools realize that they are tools and thus expendable, you know. So they were never taught what their philosophy is, what they are fighting for, or even what their role in the game is.

There have been people on the Left, or rather people in the Democrat party, like Neo here, who believed that the Left were fighting for what they claimed they were fighting for. If such people were told the truth, they would no longer help the Left or their Democrat allies. Thus classical liberals cannot be told the truth for those kinds of people do not truly believe in what the Left believes. If you truly believe in saving lives, your actions will automatically be different from someone who believes that saving lives is less of a priority than amoral familism or bringing down the US.

People do have values after all and a hierarchy of values to go with it. The Left has a couple of philosophy motifs. Amoral familism is one. Global entropy, aka nihilism, is another. Then there is multiculturalism, which is very similar to nihilism and accelerated entropy. PCness you already know is very similar to totalitarianism and fascism, but not the same. The Left creates the vacuum into which fascism steps, since fascists really hate socialists and communists. One of those family dispute things you see reflected between Sunnis and Shia, for example. The Left destabilizes and decreases the health of nations, much as a parasite does. Fascism then takes over a weakened organism and eradicates the parasites in them, meaning the Left.

Islamofascism would do the same. It would be a coin toss to see who Islamofascism would execute first, the gays, the Leftist politicians, the intellectuals, or you name it.